Originally posted by: Gunook on 12/27/2006 6:11:25 PM

If you are so hyped up on them, why aren't you giving us a link to see exactly what you are talking about.

Originally posted by: Musty on 12/27/2006 7:00:47 PM

Good point Gunook -- here's a link to get more info on them:
http://www.idltools.com/products/viper_grip/

They have a special for HCOA members listed on the Deals & Discounts page

Originally posted by: PaPaDan on 12/28/2006 3:17:37 AM

Yo Musty, throw them old Vise Grips my way. <!--graemlin::D-->

Originally posted by: Musty on 12/28/2006 7:58:31 AM

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Originally posted by PaPaDan:
Yo Musty, throw them old Vise Grips my way. <!--graemlin::D-->

Originally posted by: star warrior on 12/28/2006 8:16:32 AM

Looks to me like a smancier form of vice grips...

And to think, my bro-in-law just bought me three brand spankin new ones for Christmas...

Whaddya say, I take them back and you just toss me yer old pairs.. I can use the bucks..cause I am as cheap as they come..(guilt by association from a garage sale huntin wife! LOL!!)

I wish you well..

Jesse

Originally posted by: PaPaDan on 12/28/2006 12:36:57 PM

My guess would be that Sears discontinued those pliers and they came out now with thier own name on them. Craftsman came out a few years ago with a line of those laminated vice grip, channel locks and others. JUNK!!!!

Originally posted by: Musty on 12/28/2006 5:50:39 PM

I don't know PaPaDan -- seems to me like you are one of those guys that swears off anything new as junk and believes any change is bad.

I'd be interested to hear from the HCOA members that participated in the ViperGrip product test (e.g. people that USED THE TOOL)and rated it so highly. Let these people tell us why they liked to tool and recommended it other members.

This way before we hear from old school naysayers making sweeping judgments and bold proclamations -- like you do in your post -- we can hear from people who have ACTUALLY USED THE TOOL! I have used them and posted my comment because I, like the members that tested the product, felt other readers would also like and benefit from using the tool.

There's nothing worse than uninformed naysayer. If you'd mentioned that you had actually tried to tool and didn't like it for reason X or Y I'd have given you the benefit of the doubt and written this off as different strokes for different folks. Based on your other postings on this site and your website you are obviously pretty smart and a skilled individual. To read such strongly worded posts without mention of so much as a hint of actual experience using the product is not what I would have expected from a guy like you. Disappointing is the first word that comes to mind.

I trust I should await your response to this note with your detailed testing notes on the ViperGrip. Don't bother -- it would be a day late and dollar short.

Happy New Year!

Originally posted by: PaPaDan on 12/28/2006 6:48:01 PM

Musty, sorry you don't like my opinion. Sears and others came out with laminated pliers a few years ago. They didn't work out. Put them to a real test and you will see that the rivets start shearing and the lams seperating. I did try the craftsman tools and had to take them back. I am a prof. mechanic (industrial) and I do know the difference in good tools and gimmick junk. You need one of the auto adjust wrenches to go with your great pliers. You can fix anything with a set up like that. Oh and good luck finding anyone that tested those or anything else in the way of tools that are featured with great reviews in the magazine. They do not exist! Happy New year to you too, sir.

Originally posted by: Musty on 12/28/2006 7:38:04 PM

You are entitled to your opinion PaPaDan and I would never rob you of it. I just happen to disagree as vigorously and have recent experience weighing in my favor.

Of course there is no possible way that the tool could be improved since you used it. No way, no how -- can't improve a tool. Guess those early cordless tools were awesome from the get-go, right? No way they could have been improved dramatically and steadily since they were launched.

But hey -- no hard feelings on my end just a different view (and a little busting of chops.)

As I said previously you are obviously knowledgeable , passionate and skilled. I, like you, am critical by nature and tend to be skeptical of new things. This is why I was so impressed by the tool. The ViperGrip performed really well and made me a believer. I'd be incredibly interested to see if you get the same results from the newer version of the tool that I used. Understand if not -- but it would be really if you were swayed.

You have to admit that if we applied your opinion to other products we'd still be using manual drills and saws.

Seriously -- Happy New Year.

PS -- only in America could to guys "yell" at each other about a tool! <!--graemlin:;)-->

Originally posted by: PaPaDan on 12/29/2006 2:43:44 AM

I LOVE MY BRACE AND BIT!!!!!! <!--graemlin::D-->

Originally posted by: star warrior on 12/29/2006 3:14:56 AM

RIDE PAPADAN...RIDE!!!

GIDDY-UP!! THERE YA OLD NAG lol...

(Isnt that what they put in a horses mouth?)

No? OOPS ROTFLOL!!!

Gonna put them both in a room and turn out the lights and see who comes out first! <!--graemlin::eek:-->

I wish you well...

Jesse

Originally posted by: PaPaDan on 12/29/2006 12:31:39 PM

OK, Heads up. I stopped in at lowes today and actually looked at a pair of Viper Grips. I played with the adjustments and tried them out to see just how much BITE they really have. I must retract my statement of "JUNK" that I called them. Musty my firend, you need to start working out a little more if you believe those things are strong pliers. I actually locked them down on my finger and it did not even feel tight. They are not junk, not that good. I wouldn't put a pair in my wifes tool drawer if someone gave them to me. Viper grips are just plain crap! And that IS an educated assesment of them!!!! <!--graemlin::D-->

Originally posted by: PaPaDan on 12/29/2006 12:34:30 PM

Jesse, I be feard of the dark, can i take a candle with me? Anyone gotta light? <!--graemlin::cool:-->

Originally posted by: Musty on 12/29/2006 5:12:50 PM

Ohhh PaPaDan -- you just sealed it for me...your opinion is worthless. If in your world playing with a tool in Lowes equates to an educated assessment than I am more angry at myself for wasting my time responding to your dribble.

Frankly I am surprised that you would even let yourself post such a ridiculous statement.

Best of luck -- enjoy your tools, and the 8-track player I'm sure your still think is a "true-friend" (those iPods are JUNK!!!!)

Originally posted by: PaPaDan on 12/29/2006 8:27:48 PM

Oh no, I'm busted. I still listen to Led zeplin and steppenwolf on 8 track in my garage. <!--graemlin::eek:--> Musty, don't let me sway your thoughts, if that tool works for you then more power to it. By the way, in lowes today i tried it out on some bolts that held a delta table saw together and they slipped. Sorry, just the way it is, my opinion does not count anyway, I am just a goofy old man.Enjoy your pliers and watch your knuckles. Oh and I did take back calling them junk! <!--graemlin::D-->

Originally posted by: papadave on 1/1/2007 2:10:43 PM

such a fuss over a pair of pliers.

Musty, a friend gave me a set of those laminated pliers. he hated them, kept slipping off anything he tried to use them on. says he rounded over more bolt heads and scapped more iron off of pipes using them then he ever did his whole life using vice gripes. i tired them once. after my knuckles stoped bleeding, i put them in my tool drawer with the rest of my pliers. perhaps someday they may be worth some money as an antique, like the old lunchboxes i beat up as a kid, are today. I believe that papadan was being kind in calling them junk. i call them the worst waste of money a man could spend.

i don't always agree with other peoples opinions, but i will fight to the death their right to have and speak those opinions. i would never call them worthless, even if i thought they were. nor would i run down those opinions just because they don't agree with me.

you did a lot of bashing, with no real reason other then someone disagreed with you. to me, this is a sign of a child.

I wish everyone a Happy New Year. may it be filled with joy and happiness.

David

Originally posted by: Bob from Necedah on 1/1/2007 5:31:39 PM

Now Now children, make nice..........

It's a new year and we must all try to get along.

PapaDan, I've read your posts, over the years, and you've always seemed to take the position of the underdog. You go out of your way to stand up for the little guy and his or her opinion. You've maintained that position, for the most part for all the years you have been posting and I've been a readin' em.
That being said, I do have two pair of the laminated pliers from Sears. Like you I've found them to be hard to operate and not very strong. I've had them for years and I always seem to grab my old vise grip pliers first when I open the tool drawer. I think that it's because they are silver and the laminated pliers are black and don't stand out as well.

But you are stepping out of character by continueing to respond to another poster who does not share your opinion. Usually you have a say or two and let it drop. Here you're letting a newbie get your goat......mellow out!!

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Originally posted by: hi ho sliver on 1/1/2007 5:48:01 PM

Just to add fuel to the fire, I have two different sizes of the older sears so-called self adjusting pliers......I will say it "junk!" lol they hang on the wall of my shop wasting space! <!--graemlin::)-->

Originally posted by: WileyCoyote on 1/1/2007 7:23:36 PM

I have an older set of the Craftsman laminated pliers and just got one of those Viper grips for Christmas. Although they look similar, they are NOT the same design. I can agree whole heartedly that the Craftsman pliers are a POS. Their self adjusting deal always seems to adjust just loose enough that I rack my knuckles when I try to use them. I haven’t played with the Viper grips enough to form an opinion about them yet. However I do have one observation: don’t use these pliers on bolts or nuts that you may want to use a wrench or socket on later. The pliers will most definitely mar and generally muck up the bolt head/nut making it imposable to use a socket or wrench later.

Originally posted by: PaPaDan on 1/5/2007 3:31:32 AM

Bump this back to the top. This aint over, more to come later. <!--graemlin::D-->