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Ok so Im not much for store brand tools... HOWEVER I recieved a set of Kobalt hand tools last year. On 3 seperate occasions I left afew hand tools in the rain and it really Pi$$es me off when I do that. One time there were some various hand tools in ma dewalt sawzalll case and I had left it overnight in the rain and when i noticed them, they were all in about 1 1/2 inches of water.. "Where are you going with this Norm" you ask? Well ALL 3 Times there were Craftsman, Kobalt, and other hand tools that belonged to my dad. What I found is that on alot of the Craftsman tools like robo grips and vise grips, They will rust if you sneeze on them and dont wipe them right away!! Let alone leave them out in the weather!! Dads tools are just old and they didnt even rust as bad as the Crapsman tools. BUT the Kobalt tools (Especially my linemans plyers) had absolutely no rust and they were in the weather all 3 times along with my Kobalt channel locks with the same result... So my question is this: Why can Kobalt tools cost less but yet be more durable and less likely to rust? What are they doing that higher dollar tool companies are not?
Over the years I have changed my mind on Craftsman anything (I could care less about the lifetime warrenty) and Dewalt no longer has a spot in my budget especially cordless tools!! I may catch some flack here but I buy Klien, Kobalt, Tradesman hand tools and Hitachi, Porter cable, passload for all my corded, cordless, pneumatic, and compressor needs.. Bostitch is WAY overrated and over priced and have yet to have one that did not fail or jam...
Are these companies content with the business that 50 years+ have been passed down from generation to generation and cut corners to save 10 cents per tool? IMHO It is time for consumers to take a step back and look for cheaper tools from companies that actually care to have your business and will give you ultimately a better tool for cheaper... My Hitatchi brad nailer I purchased to replace my (stanley) Bostitch was $70.00 AND came with a 5 year warrenty!! I know this is long but doing jobs sometimes 40 miles away from my house, I cant afford a tool to fail and with more people calling you to find out if your hiring employees than to see if you can tile a floor. When I need a tool I do ALOT of research to find the best bang for my buck without going to harbor freight...lol... anyway some of you remember back in 80's and 90's it seemed Makita was the tool to have and now you can find them but it isnt 9 of 10 people buying their stuff, now its like 1 in 10 !! Just my 2 cents and it really just blew me away that the Kobalt tools are holding up so well after all the use and abuse they take compaired to Craftsman... Anyway its good to be back and sorry i have not been on these mbs in a long time and dont know that i will have the time to frequint but will try to chatter with you all on sundays while im watching my fantasy football.... Norm
"All That Glitters isn't gold!"
Lifetime Member 2007 and Member since 1996 Springfield,MO
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I also have tools that were owned by my grandfather on my mom's side.Some were made by him,have a date and his initials on them when they were made.I have no problem with Craftsman's hand tools,they hold up and their wrenches hold up better than Snap On's wrenches.My father can prove it,most of his Snap On wrenches are worn out and his Craftsman wrenches are still in great shape.Dewalt does make good power tools and I never had a problem with my Dewalt power tools.I also never had a problem getting a Craftsman tool taken back.The worst is that the sales person tries to talk you into a refurbished hand ratchet for a replacement instead of a new one.The refurbished ratchets are junk and do not last.Snap On,Mac,SK and Matco refurbish their ratchets and hold up.I have a couple Mac and Snap On hand ratchets that were refurbished under warranty and hold up.I admit Snap On makes the best 3/8" drive air ratchets oftently called knuckle busters since they are very,very powerful and I have a couple at work.The problem with Snap On is they over price their tools and do not warranty anything worn out.I do not like IR's air ratchets at all (3/8 and 1/4 drive),do not impress with me and are wimpy for power.I do not trust anything made by Bosch including their power tools,all they make is JUNK.Milwaukee Makes the best sawzalls and you cannot kill them.If buying an used power tool ,make it still works.I bought an used Milwaukee sawzall from a public auction for $70.00 which came out of a closed down Chevrolet dealership which was used a lot.Only things I had to replace on it were the plug,ground was gone and the pivot shoe which was beat up.
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Norm....Norm.......Norm. Shame.....Shame....Shame You left tools out to be rained on. This happened 3 separate times..... I can see once getting caught in a sudden rain shower.... BUT 3 times....LOL No work day is over until ALL TOOLS are put away back in place. Your lucky the tools were still there to rust. Some neighborhoods I've worked in you have to watch your tools while your there working. Your lucky they didn't end up in a Pawn Shop somewhere. By the way where do I fill out an application for work????? LMAO
"Oldman"
Wishing ALL a good day and a better one tomorrow from the central town of Owosso, Mi.48867
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By the way where do I fill out an application for work????? LMAO
"Oldman"
Wishing ALL a good day and a better one tomorrow from the central town of Owosso, Mi.48867
Oldman, check your PM
It would have beem to long to post here in the forum.
"I'll try almost anything at least once.
Mid-Hudson Valley Region, NY
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Oldman wrote:Norm....Norm.......Norm. Shame.....Shame....Shame You left tools out to be rained on. This happened 3 separate times..... I can see once getting caught in a sudden rain shower.... BUT 3 times....LOL No work day is over until ALL TOOLS are put away back in place. Your lucky the tools were still there to rust. Some neighborhoods I've worked in you have to watch your tools while your there working. Your lucky they didn't end up in a Pawn Shop somewhere. By the way where do I fill out an application for work????? LMAO "Oldman"
Wishing ALL a good day and a better one tomorrow from the central town of Owosso, Mi.48867
Barry,
That's going to be ONE HECK OF A 'COMMUTE', especially in the winter. ROTFLMAO
Norm,
Try using either "Kroil" or "PB-Blaster" and a 'green pad' on those rusty tools.... it will clean all of the rust off of them.
PS: Don't leave your tools out in the rain again please.
Slug-Gunner - - - Augusta, GA - - - Keep an "Open Mind" = You'll NEVER STOP LEARNING!
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Norm: Thanks for the application. Now you do pay UNION SCALE don't you. And what about my Insurance benefits, vacation time off, Overtime for the long drive I need to make just to get there. Can you send me an advance on my pay. I'm looking forward to working with you. ROTFLMAO
"Oldman"
Wishing ALL a good day and a better one tomorrow from the central town of Owosso, Mi.48867
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Oldman wrote:Norm: Thanks for the application. Now you do pay UNION SCALE don't you. And what about my Insurance benefits, vacation time off, Overtime for the long drive I need to make just to get there. Can you send me an advance on my pay. I'm looking forward to working with you. ROTFLMAO "Oldman"
Wishing ALL a good day and a better one tomorrow from the central town of Owosso, Mi.48867
Oldman, You may need to see an eye doctor soon. Norm is not responsible for the app. I sent it to you. LOL
"I'll try almost anything at least once.
Mid-Hudson Valley Region, NY
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Normal
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I'm a professional handyman. Been
supporting my family for a lot of years.
My tools are my livelihood. I use a
lot of Craftsman hand, air, corded and battery tools and am very satisfied. I
have a Bostich Nailer that’s so old and well used, most of the paint is worn
off.
If you take care of your tools, they
will take care of you. If you left my tools in the rain, first time is a
warning, second time you’re fired. If they are dirty, clean them. If they need
lube, lube them, etc.
Put them up when you’re done and
clean up behind yourself.
Probably my greatest mechanical
success is my work van. A 1977 Chevy ¾ ton van with 488,000 miles on her.I put 420,000 of those miles on her. I
wouldn’t hesitate to take it cross country [It has been coast to coast several
times.] I take care of her, she takes care of me.
So quit complaining and do the right
thing.
BTW,
I started playing with electrolysis for rust removal, WOW!
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Oldman, You may need to see an eye doctor soon. Norm is not responsible for the app. I sent it to you. LOL "I'll try almost anything at least once. Mid-Hudson Valley Region, NY Yup the eye's are getting old or I'm just getting lazy. Ok it's more like LAZY 
Ya got me on that one. LOL
"Oldman"
Wishing ALL a good day and a better one tomorrow from the central town of Owosso, Mi.48867
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lpaillot wrote:
I'm a professional handyman. Been
supporting my family for a lot of years. BTW,
I started playing with electrolysis for rust removal, WOW!
lpaillot,
Would you mind explaining to the rest of us HANDY forum members how the "Electrolysis for Rust Removal" process works. I, among others here, am always READY TO LEARN SOMETHING NEW.
I see this is your first post to the forum area too. Welcome to the HCOA FORUMS.
Please drop down to the NEW MEMBER section of the MAIN FORUM MENU and introduce yourself to us. We try to help each other out here.... "TAKE WHAT YOU NEED and GIVE WHAT YOU CAN" is our main motto here.
WELCOME AGAIN!
Hopefully, you'll return to the forums soon to give an answer.
Slug-Gunner - - - Augusta, GA - - - Keep an "Open Mind" = You'll NEVER STOP LEARNING!
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I know where there is a brand new cheap Craftsman impact wrench for sale still in the box.The Mac tool dealer that comes in my father's shop on Mondays has one for sale for $45.00 and he does have a "yard sale" special area in his tool truck full of good used Mac and some Snap On tools.Craftsman's cheap impacts do not hold up.Another pet peeve I hate when people borrow tools,never get them back and my brother Andy is this way.He lost my 1/2 drive 18mm impact deepwell socket once buying a new one from the Carquest parts store and a couple more tools this way.
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Bought a Craftsman torque wrench for $80 I think as they would replace broken hand tools. They did replace a 3/8 extension that was terribly overused (you cannot lift a car with one of these). When the expensive torque wrench broke they would not replace it saying " It is not a hand tool". After screaming loud enough to alert everyone at Sears they gave offered me a 50% discount.
I will never buy from them again.
BTW same wrench is $20 at HF with a guarentee.
Broke one using a 3' pipe cheater and jumping on it.
Replaced no problem.
(ended up cutting the lugnut off)
Electrosis to remove rust. It's the reverse of plating. Cannot be used on power tools.
Great for cleaning up old corroded parts, but with the rust gone there are pits. Naval Jelly and other products may be another way to go.
Try to keep all body parts attached
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Hi there! I have tried electrolytic rust removal before and it DOES WORK and is easy. Just google said subject and you will find many instructions better than my memory, but it involved a battery charger, a plastic tub and washing soda aka sodium carbonate. No not baking soda whivh is sodium BIcarbonate. put positive to a steel pipe and drop in the solution. Put rusty wrench or vise or whatever connect to negative and place in tub. let charger run for 24 hours or longer depending on how rusty item was, you can NOT over do it. you will see bubbles form while it works, this normal. When done, pull part and rinse while brushing off dirt and scale w plastic bristle brush. Dry w/ heat gun, prime and then paint. Or oil and do not allow it to rust again!
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Electrolysis????
If I ever try that method, using the brief descrption above...I'll make sure down a few brewskis first, then find a good thick pair of rubber butt-inspection gloves!
Or, I can always google the method and read up on it myself. Sounds like something I'd try...at least once.
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A "wall wort" type phone charger works fine. And you CAN overdo it. Corroded coins left in for 24 hrs. with a battery charger will magically disappear! (The material gets plated onto the other polarity). Now using this idea, you can take an old silver spoon and plate your hammer head. Relating to this is the use of "sacrificial zincs" on powerboats. A chunk of zinc is attached to the bottom of a boat in seawater so it goes away instead of the propeller.
Try to keep all body parts attached
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Never tried electrolysis to remove rust but sounds interesting.
My preferred method for removing rust is Muriatic acid. About a 50/50 acid to water, dip the tool in for a few minutes and the rust is gone. Rinse in very hot water and dry completely. then spray with WD40 to help prevent future problems.
I've also used this method to rejuvenate old used files.
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Although I picked up what was needed to give this a try this summer, I never did quite get to give it a try.. But, I'm convinced it works.. Try taking a look at this link.. I think you will be convinced too... Hope this helps some... Ez
There isn't any handyman problem that a judicious amount of money can't fix... Bradford county Pa.
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